CBC 'not as bullish' on 3D anymore due to exorbitant costs, low viewership
By: The Canadian Press
May 19, 2011
TORONTO - There will be no 3D broadcasts of the Stanley Cup final this year and the CBC's general manager of technology says he's no longer as confident in broadcasting in three dimensions, due to the "exorbitant" cost and low viewership numbers.
Fred Mattocks still believes in 3D and was pleased how the CBC's first two 3D hockey broadcasts turned out—although he admits they were somewhat buggy and very much live-to-air experiments.
But he says the massive costs to stage those productions and the poor ratings so far—"a small number," is how he described the audience size—makes it untenable for the CBC to go gung ho with 3D.
"At the end of the day right now, I'm not as bullish on 3D as I was a year ago," Mattocks says.
"We're in a mode that I call disciplined experimentation, we can't afford to be all over the place because we'll go broke."
Producing 3D content is about twice as expensive as a standard broadcast, he says, with a need for twice the staff, twice the equipment, twice the bandwidth and then there's the added complexity of the production.
Plus, the pace of 3D adoption has been slow. According to a recent report by the Consumer Electronics Marketers of Canada, nearly 3.47 million TVs were shipped to stores in 2010, of which 3.1 per cent, or almost 107,500, were 3D capable. But it's impossible to know how many of those sets have been sold into homes and how many owners have become 3D enthusiasts.
"When it comes to people actually using 3D that level is very, very low, so until that level starts to grow we can't afford to move massively into 3D production, it just doesn't make any sense," Mattocks says.
"But we'll keep an eye on it, we'll try to help it along, we'll encourage people ... because I do believe 3D is the future, it's a question of when."
Reviews were mixed for the CBC's first attempt at hockey in 3D, a tilt last December between the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens. Another game, the outdoor Heritage Classic pitting the Calgary Flames against the Canadiens, was aired in 3D a couple of months later.
There were some technical bugs but a lot of the challenge is in the "creative shift" of working with a new medium, Mattocks says.
"The addition of the third dimension changes the creative equation and in television nobody has all the answers. The entire industry, even in the movies, is still trying to figure it out—what you can do and what you can't do, or put another way, what you should do and what you shouldn't do," he says.
And while a film set is tightly controlled, the challenges that TV producers face in shooting a live event is further complicated with 3D.
"How do you deal with people popping up in front of the camera—that creates a real issue for the viewer in 3D because all of a sudden your depth and focus becomes jarred," Mattocks says.
While a momentarily glitch in a 2D broadcast is quickly forgotten, a bad mistake in 3D can literally hurt.
"3D gives us the ability to make our audience sick and you never want to make your audience sick," he says.
The biggest problem with 3D adoption, Mattocks believes, is the need to wear glasses while viewing.
"The industry's a smart industry and it's reacting to that," he says.
"Glasses interfere with the experience, it's just that simple. ... My own view is until the glasses problem is solved we won't see the kinds of adoption we saw with other high-quality forms of immersive experiences in the living room" like high definition.
Down Goes Brown: Five times a team avenged a round robin loss at the World Cup
By: Sean McIndoe
Sep 21, 2016
The history of the World and Canada Cup tournament is filled with surprising round robin results that ended up getting flipped, so don't worry just yet. Unless you're Team USA.
We're two games into the round robin portion of the World Cup, and we've already seen a handful of upsets, with favorites like Russia and the United States already tasting defeat, and in the case of the Americans, already being eliminated. With one game to go and some of the four playoff spots still up for grabs, fans around the world are no doubt panicking over the games their teams let get away.
But while the round robin is obviously important – you have to make the playoffs to win the whole thing – it's worth remembering that the results of individual games don't necessarily tell us much as much as we might think about what will happen in the playoff rounds.
In fact, the history of the World and Canada Cup tournament is filled with surprising round robin results that ended up getting flipped down the line. So in an effort to calm some nerves, here are five times that overreacting to a round robin result would have steered you wrong once the eliminations games began.
1976: Czechoslovakia 1 – Canada 0
In the first ever round robin game in Canada Cup history, Canada made a statement by crushing Finland 11-2. They went on the beat Sweden and the U.S., and they closed out the round with a win over their arch-rivals from the Soviet Union, winning those three games by a combined score of 11-3.
But in between, they dropped a surprising decision to Czechoslovakia. Vladimir Dzurilla outduelled Rogie Vachon at the Montreal Forum, turning aside all 29 shots he faced in a 1-0 win. The game was an instant classic, described at the time as one of the best ever played.
The two teams finished at the top of round robin standings, setting up a best-of-three final. But there was no repeat of Dzurilla's heroics – Team Canada blitzed him for four goals in the first period of the opening game, sending him to the bench and paving the way for a lopsided 6-0 win. Game 2 was more entertaining, with Canada jumping out to a 2-0 lead just three minutes in before a Czechoslovakian comeback set the stage for Darryl Sittler's tournament winner in overtime.
1981: Canada 7 – Soviet Union 3
By 1981, the Soviet Union was coming off a relatively rough stretch of international play. They'd won their usual Olympic gold in 1972 and 1976, but been upset by Team USA's Miracle on Ice squad in 1980, lost the 1972 Summit Series, and failed to even make the final of the 1976 Canada Cup.
When they met Canada in 1981 in the final game of the round robin, both teams were undefeated and battling for first place. The game was tied at 2-2 heading into the third, but Canada erupted for five straight goals in what ended up being a 7-3 laugher. Even with star goaltender Vladislav Tretiak sitting out due to illness, the result was an embarrassing one for the Soviets.
Both teams won their semifinal game to advance to a one-game winner-take-all final in Montreal. With Tretiak back in goal, most fans expected a closer game. Instead, they got an even bigger blowout. But this time, it was the Soviets who ran up the score, earning an 8-1 win and handing Canada what still stands to this day as its most embarrassing international loss.
1984: Soviet Union 6 – Canada 3
Three years after their impressive win, the Soviets looked even more dominant through the round robin portion of the 1984 tournament. Heading into a final game showdown against a struggling Team Canada, they were sporting a 4-0-0 record and looking to wrap up the tournament's top seed. They went on to smother their rivals in an impressive 6-3 win, finishing the round robin with a perfect record and dropping Canada down to fourth place.
That set up another meeting between the two nations in the tournament semi-final, held just three days later in Calgary. After being held to just 17 shots in the round robin, Canada exploded for 41 in the rematch. But Soviet goaltender Vladimir Myshkin stood on his head, and had his team in position to win with a 2-1 lead late in regulation. It took a late goal by Doug Wilson to set up overtime, where Paul Coffey's lunging breakup of a Soviet 2-on-1 set the stage of Mike Bossy's sudden death winner.
Canada went on to sweep Sweden in the final to claim the tournament. It marked the third straight time that the eventual Canada Cup champion had avenged a round robin loss on the way to their title.
1987: Czechoslovakia 4 – Canada 4; Sweden 5 – Soviet Union 3
The 1987 Canada Cup marked the first time that the eventual champion went undefeated through the round robin. That would be Canada, who beat the Soviets in a three-game classic punctuated by Mario Lemieux's historic winner.
But while Canada didn't have any losses to avenge on their way to the title, they weren't perfect in the round robin. And the first blemish came in their opening game, when a rusty Canadian squad blew a third period lead on their way to a 4-4 tie with Czechoslovakia. That was a disappointing result against a team that had gone 0-4-1 in the previous tournament, and raised questions as to whether Canada could defend their crown. Meanwhile, the tournament's other favorite had a disappointing opening of their own, as the Soviets gave up three goals in the first eight minutes while dropping a 5-3 decisions to Sweden.
Both powerhouses recovered well, with each winning three straight before facing each other in the round robin finale and skating to a 3-3 draw. That set up a pair of semifinal rematches, with Canada facing Czechoslovakia and the Soviets drawing Sweden.
This time, the favorites took care of business. Canada started slowly but pumped home four straight goals to take a 5-3 final, while the Soviets jumped out to an early 3-0 lead before eliminating Sweden by a 4-2 score. That set the stage for a final that still stands as perhaps the best international hockey series ever played.
As a side note, the Czechoslovakian goaltender for both of those games against Canada was a 22-year-old kid that most North Americans had never heard of. He eventually made it to the NHL three years later, and turned out to be pretty good. He even got some revenge against Canada at an international tournament over a decade later.
2004: Russia 3 – USA 1; Sweden 4 – Czech Republic 3
Canada didn't have to avenge any round robin losses on their way to the 1991 title, and the United States likewise was a perfect 3-0-0 under the new World Cup format before winning it all in 1996. Canada repeated that feat in 2004, making it four straight Canada/World Cups that have been won by a team that didn't suffer a loss during the round robin. Yes, that's right – it's now been 32 years and counting since a team lost a round robin game and still managed to win this tournament. Wait, this is supposed to be about giving teams that lost in the round robin hope. Forget everything I just mentioned.
But we can still find a couple of revenge games in the 2004 round robin, thanks to that year's, um, interesting format. The tournament featured eight teams, and the playoff round featured… eight teams. Yes, everyone made the playoffs in 2004, with the round robin settling the seeding and nothing else.
That format actually gave us a few interesting moments, like top-seeded Finland needing a goal in the dying minutes to edge winless Germany 2-1. And it also set up a pair of interesting rematches. In the round robin, the defending champion Team USA had dropped its first two games, to Canada and Russia. In the latter game, they fell 3-1 while being outshot 45-21. The 0-2 start didn't hurt their playoff hopes, because of the whole "everyone makes it" thing, but it certainly put a dent in their confidence.
Meanwhile, the Czechs dropped their opener 4-0 to Finland, then fell behind by the same score to Sweden. They came back to at least make that game a respectable 4-3 final, but other than running up the score on Germany in the finale, they didn't come out of the round robin with much room for optimism.
But in the opening round, both teams got a chance at payback, and both took it. The Czechs looked like a different team, shelling Mikael Tellqvist and Team Sweden in a 6-1 win. The Russia/Team USA rematch was a closer affair, with both teams going back and forth, but the Americans held on for a 5-3 win.
Both teams went on to lose in the semifinal, although the U.S. blew a late lead against Finland and the Czechs took Canada to overtime. Canada beat Finland in the one-game final, the year-long NHL lockout began the next day, and the World Cup hasn't been seen since. Twelve years later, we're finally getting another look at the tournament, and another chance to see a tough round robin loss avenged in the playoffs.
At least, that's what teams like Russia, Finland and North America are hoping.
Sean McIndoe has been writing about the NHL since 2008, most recently for ESPN and Grantland. He spends most of his time making jokes on twitter, where you may know him as @downgoesbrown. He appears weekly on TheHockeyNews.com.
Sidney Crosby dominated Canada's first game at the 2016 World Cup, just like he dominated the 2016 Stanley Cup playoffs. Is this is the best version of Sid yet?
TORONTO – I'll try to keep the hyperbole at a minimum here, but when it comes to Sidney Crosby, one of the greatest hockey players of all-time, it's difficult to avoid.
So I won't say the hockey world left Crosby for dead last December. But considering the lofty standard he's set for himself throughout his career, he experienced perhaps his own equivalent of being left for dead. He had two goals and 11 points after 20 games. He was struggling through a season so miserable he even wrote this summer about how badly he never wanted to experience that feeling again. The idea of him climbing back into the NHL scoring race and reclaiming his unofficial title of World's Best Hockey Player seemed far fetched. The sport belonged to Patrick Kane or, the year before, Carey Price. And there was nothing wrong with that. Crosby was a decade into a Hall of Fame career, he was nearing the end of his 20s, and it was possible he was merely exiting his prime a bit earlier than expected.
The Crosby-is-finished hype looks laughable now in hindsight. From the moment the Penguins fired coach Mike Johnston and promoted Mike Sullivan from their AHL affiliate, Crosby ignited. Sullivan helped free him up to play his north-south game at breakneck speed. Crosby's 66 points in 52 games over the rest of the season led the NHL. He was the league's best player in the playoffs and took home the Conn Smythe Trophy as second-season MVP. His days of lapping the scoring field with 120-point seasons were over, but the new Crosby was an evolved version, dominant in every aspect of the game, from faceoffs to lower-body strength to puck protection to advanced statistics to his good, ole-fashioned laser of a backhander. Like Steve Yzerman midway through his career, Crosby enjoyed a renaissance of sorts as a more complete specimen.
After watching Crosby skate circles around the Czechs in Canada's first round-robin game at the World Cup Saturday, it's time to wonder if Crosby, already the best player of this generation, is getting better. His chemistry with linemates Patrice Bergeron and Brad Marchand is excellent. He showed a sixth sense when he fed Joe Thornton all alone in the slot for Canada's fourth goal. He looked flawless out there.
"I think he's always been the best player in the world," said defenseman Brent Burns, Crosby's Stanley Cup final foe with the San Jose Sharks, now his teammate with Canada. "What makes him that is he works every day at it. He's always striving to get better, to be the best and stay up on that plateau, I think there are a lot of guys chasing him, and that pushes him to get better."
Now's the time when angry Flyers fans, er, blog commenters, strike back against the so-called insufferable Crosby love. But to do so at this point is to merely be a contrarian, to be a hater of greatness. Instead of fighting it, just stop and appreciate it. It wasn't hyperbolic to praise Wayne Gretzky's brilliance, nor Bobby Orr's, nor Mario Lemieux's, nor Patrick Roy's. And Crosby is approaching a similar stratosphere. He has two scoring titles, two MVPs, two Stanley Cups, a Rocket Richard, two Olympic gold medals, two Olympic game-winning goals, a World Championship and the highest points per game of any NHLer in history not named Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux or Bossy. If he keeps playing like he did to open the World Cup, he'll add one more impressive team trophy to the case. Canada coach Mike Babcock isn't yet ready to concede that Crosby has reached a new level, though.
"Let's not get carried way," Babcock said. "He was the star in Sochi. He was the star in Vancouver. What you saw tonight, though, is he got the points. Everyone likes to get points, Sid likes to get points, too, but it took the team to win, and he was the leader. Were in the process here, and as the team gets better, he has to get better. But it was a good start for his line."
And maybe why Crosby keeps improving is because he adopts that same mindset. He's never satisfied. Neither were any of the sport's all-time greats.
"There are still things we can improve on, but to get rewarded for our hard work, and get a couple on the power play, and get some big kills early on, all those little things go a long way," he told reporters after the game.
And that line is Crosby in a nutshell, isn't it? The man accomplishing the big things on the big stage is the one obsessed with the little things.
Despite coming off another last-place finish, there's finally reason for optimism in Edmonton. The Oilers will go as far as Connor McDavid can take them.
THN is rolling out its 2016-17 Team Previews daily, in reverse order of 2015-16 overall finish, until the start of the season. Today, the Edmonton Oilers.
THN's Prediction: 5th in Pacific
Stanley Cup odds: 43-1
Key additions: Milan Lucic, LW; Jesse Puljujarvi, RW; Adam Larsson, D; Mark Fraser, D; Jonas Gustavsson, G; Kris Versteeg, RW
Key departures: Taylor Hall, LW; Lauri Korpikoski, LW; Adam Clendening, D; Luke Gazdic, LW
-Will the real Jordan Eberle please stand up? It’s been five seasons now since Eberle had the best season of his career – a 34-goal, 76-point campaign as a 21-year-old in 2011-12. Since then, his points per 82 games settled at 63, 67, 64 and then dropped to 56 last season. At 26, he’s now in his prime. So why do we think there’s much more to offer? Expect Eberle to break through his career high playing on a line with Connor McDavid and probably Milan Lucic. After 500 regular season NHL games, however, Eberle likely won’t get his first taste of the Stanley Cup playoffs next spring.
-Can Adam Larsson become a top-pair bluelineer? In trading Taylor Hall to New Jersey, the Oilers paid a stiff price to secure the services of a second-pair defenseman. But the anticipation is the 23-year-old Larsson, going into his sixth NHL season, can evolve into a minute-munching, two-way force.
Larsson did play on New Jersey’s top pair for the first time last season, but his numbers were underwhelming, and he has yet to live up to his billing as the fourth-overall pick in 2011. His 0.79 shots per game last season ranked 191st among defensemen who played at least 20 games.
-Will the Oilers set a mark for futility? When the Oilers missed the playoff for the 10th consecutive season in 2015-16, they matched Florida (2001 to 2011) for the longest in NHL history. Can Edmonton make that record its own with 11 straight dry springs? Most experts say yes. The Hockey News predicts the Oilers to finish fifth in the Pacific Division and not be a wild card team. On the bright side, they’ll be in the lottery for a chance at their fifth first-overall pick in eight years.
Player projections are based off a three-year version of Game Score (which you can read about here) weighted by recency and repeatability and then translated to its approximate win value (Game Score Value Added or GSVA). Team strength was derived from the combined value of every player’s GSVA on a team. The season was then simulated 10,000 times factoring in team strength, opponent strength and rest.
Is this the year the Oilers finally make the playoffs? Most people would say probably not, but like any team there’s always a chance. For Edmonton, it’s just over one-in-three, which would be an optimistic outlook for most teams that finish second last, but an infuriating one for this specific team that hasn’t made the playoffs in a decade and set off an atomic bomb to their roster with the trade of former franchise cornerstone Taylor Hall.
But there’s been enough ink spilt on the futility of this team so let’s look on the bright side instead. The Oilers have Connor McDavid, and that’s as bright as it gets for any team. If he becomes as good as everyone thinks he will be, then the Oilers certainly have a much better chance to make the playoffs.
Their current projection hinges on McDavid being a top-15 player that scores just over 85 points – the second highest in the league. Here’s what happens to the Oilers if we get a little more optimistic and he becomes a 90, 95, or even 100 point player (assuming linemates Jordan Eberle and Milan Lucic add 3.5 points for every five from McDavid). One more wrinkle to this is the Oilers signing underrated forward Kris Versteeg to a PTO. If he ends up making the team over someone like Matt Hendricks that increases their chances of making the playoffs even further.
The Oilers might become a borderline playoff team on the addition of Versteeg alone. Add McDavid’s ascension on top of that and the team could jump to third best in the Pacific, edging out the Ducks. And that ignores any potential changes for the rest of the team. Maybe Leon Draisatl takes a big step in year two, or Nail Yakupov finally finds his game, or Adam Larsson blossoms into a number one D-man. These are all things that could feasibly happen and would greatly strengthen the Oilers chances.
Basically, a lot has to go right for the Oilers to make the playoffs, but in spite of all their issues, they actually might have a shot this year. For the first time in a long time, the playoffs might actually be within reach.
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The 10 most overvalued fantasy players for 2016-17
By Matt Larkin
Sep 13, 2016
Which players will cost a pretty penny at the draft table and burn you with subpar production relative to expectations? Matt Larkin identifies 10 to avoid.
Picking sleepers is one of the most exciting aspects of fantasy hockey drafts. It makes us look smart. That's why I've offered up my favorite 10 for 2016-17 here. But as much as we like to think finding those late-round gems puts us over the top to win championships, something else matters much more: avoiding mistakes in the early to mid rounds.
And a "mistake" doesn't always mean picking a bust player who has a terrible season or gets injured. It can also mean taking a perfectly decent player way too early when many more effective guys are still available. I define overvalued fantasy picks as some combination of:
Players whose production won't match their average draft positions
Players being drafted ahead of players who will outperform them
Players with falsely inflated value because of real-life success, playing in popular markets or other emotional attachments
So here are my top 10 players to avoid in 2016-17 based on Yahoo average draft position (ADP) compared to my top 200 rankings, listed alphabetically. And remember, I'm not saying these players are bad…only that they are being drafted too early.
We have a bunch of Dean Lombardis at the fantasy draft table, apparently. It's no disrespect to Abdelkader, a scrappy and useful winger who can play on any line, but he's not a high-end scorer. He's 29, and his career highs in goals and points are 23 and 44, respectively. He's not getting any better than this. Even though he gets a boost in penalty minutes leagues, it's laughable to see him being drafted ahead of William Nylander, Sam Reinhart and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in typical leagues.
Sergei Bobrovsky (THN rank: 200; Yahoo ADP: 139.2)
Some poolies cling to the idea of 'Bob' as a Vezina Trophy-winning world beater. He's a talented goaltender…when he plays. The soft-tissue injuries have become a yearly headache. Instead of taking on the Bobrovsky problem, why not grab the dirt-cheap and durable Cam Talbot, who goes 17 picks later on average?
Matt Murray (THN rank: 144; Yahoo ADP: 69.7)
This one stings, as I'm a huge Matt Murray backer. Have been for years, so much that I'm teased for my man-crush in the THN office. Listing Murray here has nothing to do with his talent, which is immense. It has everything to do with Marc-Andre Fleury. Murray is likely locked in a timeshare at best until Penguins GM Jim Rutherford trades Fleury, and no deal is imminent. Murray's Stanley Cup heroics have inflated his ranking to the point he's being drafted ahead of actual starters like Brian Elliott and Semyon Varlamov. That shouldn't be happening. It's a different story in keeper leagues, of course.
James Neal (THN rank: 116; Yahoo ADP: 37.7)
James Neal, top-40 fantasy player? Sheesh, that's steep. He's currently valued as if he's still ripping off 40-goal seasons like he did in his Pittsburgh days. Neal's fresh off a highly useful effort of 31 goals, 58 points and 65 penalty minutes. But it's just plain strange to see him picked in the fourth round on average, ahead of Blake Wheeler, the league's No. 6 scorer, and Jack Eichel, whose floor might be Neal's ceiling. Get a grip, drafters.
Jonathan Quick (THN rank: 53: Yahoo ADP: 18.6)
Quick's legendary playoff prowess puffs up his fantasy value every season. I concede he's valuable in pools weighting wins heavily, but he's finished 34th, 22nd, 17th and 19th in save percentage over his past four seasons. His rate stats are merely average. It's thus odd to see Quick the fourth goalie off the board, before Cory Schneider, Corey Crawford and Henrik Lundqvist.
Pekka Rinne (THN rank: 122; Yahoo ADP: 34.6)
Rinne is one of the most athletic goaltenders in the NHL, blessed with a lightning-quick glove hand, honed by playing a form of Finnish baseball. He's a fun guy to interview. Other goaltenders I've spoken to consider Rinne one of the best in the business. But it's harder every year to justify that status. The numbers just don't support it. Rinne has posted a save percentage of .910 or lower three times in his past four seasons, he turns 34 in November, and he's become the analytics crowd's whipping boy. Apparently, the stats get ugly if you look under the hood, as our guru Dom Luszczyszyn did last season. Like Quick, however, Rinne will still get enough starts to carry substantial worth in leagues that focus on volume stats like wins and shutouts. He's quite overvalued in rate-stat leagues, though.
Patrick Sharp (THN rank: 173: Yahoo ADP: 79.5)
Sharp going in the middle of the sixth round? Huh? He scored 34 goals in 82 games with the Chicago Blackhawks in 2013-14. Since then he has 36 goals in 144 games. There's no shame in it, as Sharp is simply in decline at 34, but he's now just a safe depth guy you grab in the late middle rounds to fill out your roster. He's still being drafted as a core player, ahead of Brandon Saad, Jonathan Huberdeau, Andrew Ladd, Tyler Toffoli, Jordan Eberle and Jakub Voracek. I don't know who the poolies are making these shameful picks, but I want in their leagues and I want to play them for money.
Andrew Shaw (THN rank: none; Yahoo ADP: 147.6)
Shaw, like Abdelkader, is admired in real life for his versatility and tenacity. But just because you're a fun player to own doesn't mean you're a good player to own in all but the deepest of leagues. Shaw will top out at 15 to 20 goals and 35 to 40 points. He should be on waiver wires in most pools.
Alexander Steen (THN rank: 110: Yahoo ADP: 77.9)
Steen is a productive player, one of the more underappreciated of his generation. He's typically been a great sneaky add around pick 100, but things have reversed. Now he's overvalued at 77.9 because he never gets through a full season. He's missed 12.3 games on average over his past three years. Major shoulder surgery in June knocked him out of the World Cup, and while he's optimistic about suiting up for the Blues next month, it's concerning that his health is already in question again.
Jimmy Vesey (THN rank: none; Yahoo ADP: 124.6)
Jimmy Vesey is being drafted ahead of Auston Matthews right now. There are no words. Matthews lit up a pro league in Switzerland, then flourished against NHLers at the worlds, and now he looks poised to make a statement with Team North America at the World Cup. Vesey won the Hobey Baker as college hockey's best player but has never played pro hockey. He should have a learning curve and is nowhere near a lock to make the Rangers. The hype train has veered off the rails and tumbled into a ditch.
THE BLACKHAWKS/KINGS PROBLEM
Chicago's and Los Angeles' "mini dynasty years" have inflated the ADPs of everything they touch, from current players to former players. They're all great real-life contributors, but they're presumed to be top-notch fantasy assets, which they aren't. I mentioned Quick, Sharp and Shaw already, but here are some more overpriced current and former Hawks and Kings: