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THN.com Blog: Not all wins are equal

Barry Trotz has been the only coach the Nashville Predators have ever known. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

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Barry Trotz has been the only coach the Nashville Predators have ever known. (Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

The plucky Nashville Predators are in a dogfight to qualify for the post-season; to do so, they’ll likely need to win two of their last three regular-season games – and pray the St. Louis Blues don’t run the table in their final three outings.

As the Preds valiantly fight to stay in the playoff mix, I keep returning to the conversation Nashville coach Barry Trotz had with a few journalists in the halls of the Air Canada Centre when his team visited Toronto in January.

Trotz spent much of our conversation talking about the NHL’s looney-tunes points system that makes it virtually impossible for teams to gain ground in the standings during the second half of the season.

(I know, I know – my editor, Edward Fraser, recently wrote about the “myth of the loser point”. But as a commenter on his piece noted, even if awarding teams a point for a loss doesn’t drastically affect this year’s standings, it would’ve dramatically affected the 2007-08 campaign.)

“At the end of the year, I’d love to see the games sorted out and the standings re-jigged to reward teams that won in regulation,” said Trotz, noting he’s brought it up with his GM, David Poile, in the past. “He just kind of looks at me and says, ‘Well, some teams will wind up with 150 points if we do things that way.’ And I say, ‘Who cares? If you’re a team like Detroit that wins a lot in regulation and you recognize and reward them for that, that just means they’re really good.’ ”

Trotz also understands traditionalists won’t favor of his idea, but added: “Well, there’s a lot of things we’ve changed. And the way things are right now, with 8-10 teams really bottled up in the standings, (re-working the points system) might be huge.”

It certainly might be. But that’s the NHL for you – a place where tradition serves as a straightjacket on logic and progress.

• A couple brief comments on the Hockey Hall of Fame’s decision last week to finally make it possible for female players to be admitted.

First of all, if the HHOF is expecting laurel after laurel for its change in policy, they won’t get any from this corner. The fact is, they’re the last of the sport’s Halls of Fame to do so and basically had to be shamed into making the move.

Secondly, for those who’ve come out since the announcement and thrown against the wall whatever argument they could – i.e., that women can’t compete on the same level as men or that the lack of competition outside North America ought to preclude them from being honored – I have a simple retort.

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In its own “statement of purpose”, the HHOF makes the following point crystal clear (emphasis added by me):

“The Hockey Hall of Fame was founded in 1943 to establish a memorial to those who have developed Canada's great winter sport – ice hockey…(it) exists in order to honor and preserve the history of the game of ice hockey, and in particular, those who have made outstanding contributions and achievements in the development of the game.”

Got that, everybody? Being honored by the HHOF is all about contributions and achievements in the sport’s development. There’s not a word in there about playing at a certain level; nor is there a definition of how much development has to be made in any particular wing of the game.

It’s straightforward as can be. And it’s a shame it took so long to make some of the hard-heads at the HHOF realize it.

• If you haven't yet listened to The Hockey News Radio Show, which airs every Friday at 3 p.m. on XM Satellite Radio Channel 204, April 10 is the day to do so.

As the playoffs draw near, we're holding a live call-in show to talk about the post-season and more. As a bonus, each caller who makes it on-air will get a free subscription to The Hockey News magazine.

If you missed last week's show, you can listen/view it HERE.

Adam Proteau, co-author of the book The Top 60 Since 1967, is writer and columnist for The Hockey News and a regular contributor to THN.com. His blog appears Mondays, his Ask Adam feature appears Fridays and his column, Screen Shots, appears Thursdays.

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Dominic Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:24)



I've been saying ever since the shoot out came into effect that a team should be rewarded for winning in regulation. Therefore a 3-2-1 point system is the only way. # for a win, 2 for other win (overtime or shoot out) 1 for being tied after regulation. (other loss) for those of you that dont like the so called looser point, remember they always had a point for a tie after regulation. Would it make a difference. Well i looked at the east and heres what i got for the 7th 8th and 9th seed. Montreal would be in 7th with a 30-11-29-10 recod for 122 points. Florida would be in 8th (currently in 9th) qith a 32-7-30-11 record for 121 points. The Rangers woul then be out of the playoffs with a 28-13-30-9 record for 119 points, meaning Florida is a better regulation team then the Rangers. Take the overall standings where the Bruins are 5 points behind San Jose with a game in hand. Boston would have to win their remaining 3 games while San Jose would have to lose their remaining 2 for the Bruins to overtake them. Under a 3-2-1 system San Jose would still be on top with a 43-10-16-11 record for 160 points followed by Boston with a
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Dominic Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:24)



... continued ...45-6-18-10 record for 157 points. Meaning they are only one win behind. If the season ended after their game in hand and they won it, they would hold the tie breaker and take first overall. But Florida will be the BIG looser under the current system.
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Jakub Mazur Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:22)



(from IIHF rules) Three Point System Teams winning in regulation are awarded three points, the loser none. Where there is a tied score teams are given one point each. A five-minute overtime will follow and, if the score is still tied after overtime, Game Winning Shots (better name for shootout ;P) will be used. The team winning in overtime or shoot-out is awarded the extra point for a total of two points. I think this system is just fair - three points are awarded each game and win in regulation has more worth. Now in the NHL number of points in each game are different: two points in regulation (2+0) and three after OT/SO (2+1) - it's really stupid. Unfortunately I don't think that Bettman would change the point system so quickly...
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Mark Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:20)



3 points make a huge difference! specially if the losers get 0. as i said before, break in down to a 3-2-1 point system where it is regulation-OT-Shootout. No team in the hunt will want to take a chance of going to a shootout and end up with 0 points when the team they are chasing just won in regulation and got 3 points!
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Tim Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:13)



Funny how the the coach of a team that plays for ties and shootouts wants it changed...
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HixSpor Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:12)



I "rejigged " the standings this morning(Tue) with use of 3 pt regulation wins. Dallas and Phoenix would still be in the hunt. Minny and Edmonton wouldn't exactly be on the brink. This tells me 3pt reg-wins would be more exciting than people thought.
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ScrewAmerica Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:09)



Billwinkle - I actually met alot of americans that thought we lived in Igloos and Aborignals still live in Tee-pees and were actually serious. So what are you actually learning in your school systems. So there you are have it.
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Jude Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:09)



The loser point makes a huge difference. We all know that a 9th place team can win more in rugulation that the the 8th place team but still finish a point behind and out of the playoffs. (Habs/Iles 06-07) Habs record 42-40 Iles 40-42 Iles make the playoff. (Car/Bos 07-08) Car 43-39 Bos 41-41 Boston makes playoff. Trotz it right something must be done. The playoffs should be rewarding the teams that WIN hockey games not teams that were able to postponing losing by 5 mins or so.
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Eric Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:05)



I have been hammering at this for a long time now 2pts for regular/OT win (since goals count towards a player's stats) 1 pt for shootout win (since it's a partial win, but I like settling games) NO POINTS FOR LOSING!
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ebgb Posted
(2009-04-30 08:17:03)



newsflash- "The NHL is not at War with the points system!", just win baby.
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