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THN.com Blog: Is 'CuJo' a Hall of Famer?

Curtis Joseph of the Toronto Maple Leafs has a career record of 450-349-90-6. (Photo by Graig Abel/NHLI via Getty Images)

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Curtis Joseph of the Toronto Maple Leafs has a career record of 450-349-90-6. (Photo by Graig Abel/NHLI via Getty Images)

If Curtis Joseph’s NHL career indeed comes to an end at the conclusion of this season, he’ll retire with the fourth-most goalie wins of all-time and a giant question begging to be answered: has he done enough to be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Most people I talk to instinctively say no. He was a very good goalie, who wove an excellent 19-year tapestry – at times he was stellar – but didn’t set himself apart enough to become an Honored Member. He never won a Stanley Cup or appeared in a final, never earned a post-season all-star berth, never captured a Vezina Trophy.

In his one shot at ultimate glory, with the 2002 Canadian Olympic team in Salt Lake, he was given the starter’s job, but surrendered that after a disappointing 5-2 loss against Sweden to open the tournament.

In addition, his career is ending dolefully. He’s a seldom-used backup on a bad team with little to show for his swan song to Toronto. In fact, if he played more frequently this season, he’d likely grab the “top” spot for all-time goalie losses. As things stand, he’s three back of ‘L’ king Gump Worsley.

The here-and-now image we have of ‘Cujo’ colors the big picture with more vibrancy than it ought to, but that perception is our reality.

All that said, upon deeper reflection, there is an argument to be made for Joseph’s enshrinement.

For starters, there’s that fourth all-time wins stat that won’t evaporate. Every other netminder in the top 11 in victories is either already in the Hall or will be as soon as they’re eligible. Joseph is the very lonely, glaring exception.

And it’s important to note, he wasn’t often the beneficiary of great teams in front of him. During his stints in St. Louis, Edmonton and Toronto, he carried his teams for long stretches, engineering playoff-round upsets with some regularity. You’d have to wonder what kind of success he would have enjoyed had he spent time, during the prime of his career, behind defenses like the ones in New Jersey or Dallas.

He has also been remarkably durable and consistent, topping 30 wins twice and posting winning records in 15 of 19 campaigns. Where does longevity come into the equation? Skaters such as Mike Gartner and Bernie Federko won Hall induction despite never being the best at their positions, getting post-season all-star nods, being on Stanley Cup champions or winning major individual awards. Their strong, sustained efforts carried the day.

Similar to Gartner and Federko, Joseph also has built up considerable goodwill among media members and fans; his image is clean if not impeccable. Right or wrong, players with public dark sides sometimes have a tougher time getting in – for case studies, see Dino Ciccarelli, Tom Barrasso and Pavel Bure (he of the All-Star Game early departure).

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As for lack of championships, there is precedent. Fellow stoppers Roy Worters, Chuck Rayner and Ed Giacomin were elected without ever having won a Cup. Tony Esposito, meanwhile, got his only NHL title as a backup in Montreal, sitting on the bench while Rogie Vachon did the puck-stopping.

Where does all this leave Cujo? Likely still outside the Hall, but a few years from now when he becomes eligible and visions of the past couple seasons have subsided, it could be a much tougher call than we originally imagined.

ONE MORE THING
Career loss No. 349 for Joseph was a glaring example of a deficiency in how the NHL tracks goalie defeats.

He entered the game in relief of Vesa Toskala, with the Leafs trailing 4-1 in the first period. Toronto failed to get back to even terms with Tampa the rest of the way in a 6-4 loss. But because his team scored a meaningless fourth goal with about two minutes remaining – one that theoretically would have tied the contest had Joseph been perfect – he was tagged with the ‘L.’

If the match ends 6-3, Toskala takes the loss. It’s a small point, but one the league should examine for the sake of fairness. For those keeping score at home, Worsley’s all-time loss record is 352.

OK, LAST ONE, REALLY
I was industriously working away in my office when I heard repeated laughter coming from our editorial "pit." I wandered over to see the guys watching this video of Panthers play-by-play man Randy Moller's goal calls, as found on Puck Daddy (and now THN.com). Wocka-wocka.

Jason Kay is the editor in chief of The Hockey News and a regular contributor to THN.com. His blog appears every Friday.

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Cory Polia Posted
(2009-04-30 08:12:44)



"As things stand, he’s three back of ‘L’ king Gump Worsley." Gump Worsley is in the Hall Of Fame It's not his fault that he was signed by the St. Louis Blues to start his career and played for horrible teams. He was never drafted and proved to the NHL scouts that he could play in the NHL level. Put him in Brodeur's shoes and he would probably have 552 wins.
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oldman river Posted
(2009-04-30 08:03:36)



cujo is a hall of famer, he did not play on teams that had a chance for the cup, gartner would have won a stanley cup had not the rangers screwed him, brodeur and roy had the benefit of playing on great teams, cdujo did not
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Knuckledragger Posted
(2009-04-30 07:56:18)



"Stating the obvious" ... Mike VErnion should be in the Hall of Fame...certainly long before Cujo ! Cups with two different teams...and the '89 seven game round one series vs. Vancouver,,, THAT was a hall of fame performance in itself !
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stating the obvious.. Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:26)



Aussie Dave: Grant Fuhr Hall of Fame? Cujo was not even close to being as good as Fuhr. If Cujo gets in, Mike Vernon gets in, then Billy Ranford. It's a slippery slope.
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Aussie Dave Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:25)



Wow.. I'm from Australia and I know more facts about Cujo's career than you guys. Yes, he played in all-star games... he started the 2000 all-star game in Toronto. He carried the leafs to the conference finals in 2002 as well if anyone remembers?.. Leafs lost to carolina. Cujo's 1st round upsets? Edmonton over Dallas in 97, Edmonton over Colorado in 98, Leafs in 99 (every playoff win was an upset, Pittsburgh was a bit easy though), Leafs in 00, '01, '02! Does anyone remember the sweeps off Ottawa, the team that would finish 10-20 points ahead of the leafs in the regular season? Yes he got swept by Anaheim, but Yzerman didn't get a goal in that series and no one cares about that. Consistency is the key to the HOF. He deserves to get in... remember Cujo wasn't drafter, went to college at 21 yrs old, was signed by St Louis and really came out of nowhere to be a #1 goalie. He lead the league in saves for 3 years. HOF for sure for Cujo! And I'm more of a hockey fan than just Cujo, but anyone that has done what Cujo has achieved, deserves to be in the hall!
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Doug Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:22)



Cujo's greatest games were as an Oiler and he has never been as effective after his stint. The grass was always greener for Cujo and because of this troubling aspect of his career, I do not for a second believe that he merits consideration. Your comments about Tony O are way off base, as his dedication to the Hawks was awe - inspiring.
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Brian Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:18)



Joseph definatly has the win totals to be in the Hall. True he didnt have a great team infront of him, I believe he did have Brett Hull, Brendan Shanahan and Adam Oates on offense. What hurt him was leaving before guys like Al MacInnis and Chris Pronger came along. They made it to the West Finals with an aging Grant Fuhr with Hull, Oates, Gretzky, Pronger and MacInnis. I think with Joseph they might have been able to beat the Wings. I think his numbers and carrying lower playoff teams as far as could is worthy. Gartner got in with no Hart, Art Ross, Richard, Conference Final Win or even a Cup. Joseph deserves his spot, maybe not 1st year but 2nd.
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Tiny19 Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:18)



Just looking at numbers yeah he should be in. But I've heard that same argument for Osgood. And neither of these names come up as the greatest goalies of their time. I think playing wise CuJo has been a great goalie for less than excellent teams but do we enshrine him for being the 3rd or 4th or even the 8th best goalie of the times that he played in. I don't see it happening on the first try but maybe in the future. Retiring a few years ago would probably have helped his chances though. Better to go out near the top of the list than as a backup to Toskala.
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Happy Dude Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:16)



I'm on the fence on this one. I think we all might think CuJo is better than he really was. I do remember him having some breathtaking performances, but in the last couple of years his play severely diminished. I believe he will never get in the Hall of Fame, but that's ok because he will probably have his number retired either in St.Louis or Toronto.
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stating the obvious.. Posted
(2009-04-30 07:55:09)



Sean, Gord et al, Yeah, exactly! Maybe using Gartner or Federko as examples of mistakes never to be repeated then this would have made for a better article...
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