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THN at the All-Star Game: Fighting the hot topic at BOG meeting

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman speaks at the podium at the NHL Board of Governors meeting press conference. (Photo by Jeff Vinnick/NHLI via Getty Images)

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NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman speaks at the podium at the NHL Board of Governors meeting press conference. (Photo by Jeff Vinnick/NHLI via Getty Images)

MONTREAL - Colin Campbell played during the 1970s and early ‘80s when bench-clearing brawls were commonplace and heinous acts of violence – a lot of which would make some things that go on in the game today look tame by comparison - went undetected and unpunished.

If there were ever anyone who you’d think would be dragged into the fighting debate kicking and screaming, it would be the league’s director of hockey operations. After all, as an undersized NHL defenseman, Campbell had almost 1,500 career penalty minutes including playoffs. But, surprisingly, Campbell is a far more progressive voice when it comes to this matter than some of the people he works with who have Ivy League degrees and graduated from some of the best law schools in North America.

“That’s because my wife is always on my case,” Campbell said following the NHL’s Board of Governors meeting in Montreal Saturday morning.

But those of you who enjoy the sweet science on the ice, don’t fret. Among power brokers in the NHL, Campbell’s voice is a lone one in the wilderness. Just over a month after a senior player died in a fight and less than 24 hours after a pre-meditated fight sent an American League player into convulsions, those who hold the reins of power made it clear that beyond a little navel gazing and, perhaps a tweak or two to the five-plus pages fighting takes up in the NHL rulebook, fighting isn’t going anywhere.

Perhaps it’s the cynic here, but my impression is that the NHL is going to ride out this storm and do very little about fighting. To be sure, there is no appetite among NHL types to have a meaningful debate on its place in the game. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman talks about having a debate about “rules of engagement” – yes, he actually used that term – with respect to how a fight starts, how it finishes, chinstraps and takedowns. But as for actually exploring what place fighting has in the game and whether it might be time to consider abolishing it, forget it.

Unless you consider that the league will consult with the GMs on this one. Of course, the GMs are, generally speaking, 50-plus white guys who represent the hockey establishment that shuns any talk of banning fighting. As far as the Toronto Maple Leafs GM is concerned, any talk about fighting will be a short conversation.

So, as the injuries get more serious and the scary incidents work their way up the hockey ladder, it’s clear the league will do nothing concrete about fighting until someone in the NHL suffers the same fate as Don Sanderson. In the back of my mind, I think Colin Campbell is convinced exactly that is going to happen someday. Bettman talks about taking a “good, hard look at it,” but offers no structure of how that’s going to happen and no timeline for any changes.

In other words, the NHL is basically giving the issue lip service because of the perfect storm that has happened lately, but don’t expect anything drastic.

“Based on the conversations I’ve had with lots of constituencies – players, owners, managers, coaches – I don’t think there’s any appetite to abolish fighting in the game,” Bettman said. “There are lots of reasons for that, including that it has been a part of the game.”

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Of course, so was the red line, the rover, rules that prevented forward passes and from goalies going down to make a save, too, but those were changed when they were found to be antiquated and a detriment to the game.

“Let’s start with the role of fighting in the game,” Bettman said. “That will be part of the discussion, but it may be a very short conversation because the combined hockey knowledge and experience that sits in the general managers’ room is probably 750 years and there may be no interest and appetite at all there.”

Meanwhile, fighting is up to about 1.3 fighting majors per game, a 24 percent increase over last year. Fighting is essentially at the same level it was prior to the lockout. The one thing that was encouraging, however, is there doesn’t seem to be any sense the league will abolish the instigator rule. Bettman pointed out it only gets called in about five percent of fights, anyway, a figure that might increase if anything comes of these debates.

Bettman did touch on a number of other topics following the meeting, most of which related to the economic health of the game. On the subject of the Phoenix Coyotes, Bettman said the franchise needs “an infusion of capital,” either in the form of additional investors or a sale, and the league is monitoring things, but said the franchise isn’t in the trouble most have been led to believe.

“They are not, I repeat not, on life support,” Bettman said.

He later went on to say, “We have a pretty good track record of fixing franchises that get themselves into trouble.”

• The participation of NHL players in the 2014 Olympics in Sochi, Russia is still very much in question. The players want to play in the Olympics and the International Ice Hockey Federation is also in favor of NHLers taking part, but Bettman isn’t certain it’s a great idea.

“There was no bigger proponent of going to the Olympics than me before Nagano,” Bettman said. “But I do have concerns about going to the Olympics, particularly when it’s not in North America and the benefits are not as great.”

• He said there are no plans for the league to relocate or expand and said a second team in southern Ontario – read, Hamilton – is not on the radar.

Bettman also seemed to throw water on any notion Jim Balsillie is an owner-in-waiting for a relocated franchise in Hamilton.

“This wouldn’t be something that would be a divine right. We would pick the person we think would be the best,” Bettman said. “You don’t make a billion dollar decision on intuitive instinct.”

Members of the THN team will be filing reports from Montreal throughout the ASG weekend.

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Lamar Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:36)



“We have a pretty good track record of fixing franchises that get themselves into trouble.” Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass long enough the teams and the league would be enjoying a more acceptable economic condition. This guy is as much a failure as George W. Bush and just as clueless, I wish someone would drop the gloves and beat him to a bloody pulp.
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Rich Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:28)



Mr. Neeson, I usually do not respond to what other people write, I just shout out my own opinions. I think you mis-read the article. Carl was saying that it is a highly schooled and intelligent group of individuals who are unwilling to stop fighting in the game, and it is one of the knuckle-draggers who think the game needs to be changed. It is one of the battles that no one can be comfortable with. We are talking about allowing grown men in a contact sport drop their gloves and beat the crap out of each other with bare knuckles. The UFC doesn't even allow that and we all know how violent that is, but hockey fights to keep it in their game. There is no question that someone will get hurt, we all know it and we all expect it. The question is what is going to be done about it. Will it be a fair fight and no one goes to jail. Will it be an unfair fight and someone goes to jail. Can you even go to jail if you kill someone in a hockey fight. When will the government get involved in this one. I may not agree with what Carl says, but it is going to happen in the NHL. Someone will be hurt and hurt badly. So what will happen then. Let me tell you. The crap storm that baseball faced over the steroids issue will be nothing compared to what will come down over this one. Every news agency in every country will be calling the sport barbarian, brutal, criminal. There is absolutely no coverage of the sport right now on ESPN, but it will be on 24/7 when this happens. They will take this and they will drive it into the ground. Day and night we will here 'experts' telling us how we allowed this to happen and is there a place in the world for this kind of sport. There will be no escape. Hockey officials will go into hiding, players will be forced into compromising interviews with no where safe to turn. You don't believe it look at baseball. It's going to happen.... or maybe not. Maybe there will be no coverage. Maybe no one cares. Where does that put the game.
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Nikolaj Jensen Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:23)



Jim Balsillie wants to put a team in a great market and has the money to keep it running, instead you pick a criminal like Boots Del Biagio - Well done Bettman. If this was the first scandal involving an NHL owner I would say it was bad luck, but Bettman has shown a remarkable consistency in choosing criminals to run the southern teams instead of choosing good solid owners and allow them to move to the teams to actual hockey markets.
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James Neeson Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:19)



Well Carl, that's got to be one of the wildest and most outrageous claims I have ever heard. Did you even consider researching your claims before you put them in writing for all to bask in the ignorance of them? Now, I don't have the time or the desire to do a background check on all the coaches, players and executives in the NHL, and definitely not in the minor leagues and major junior leagues (however, I'd be willing to bet that the coaches and players of NCAA teams have some sort of intelligence). Since it's a time-consuming process, I'll just use my Leafs. Ron Wilson attended Providence College, a fine academic institution. Same goes for Brian Burke, however, after graduating from Providence, he went on to earn a J.D. from Harvard. I highly doubt that unintelligent earn J.D.'s from Harvard. Richard Peddie attended the University of Windsor where he earned a BBA and an Honorary Doctor of Laws. Finally, Larry Tanenbaum earned a Bachelor's degree in Economics from Cornell University. So, your claim (similar to that of Mr. Campbell) that people who are pro-fighting are knuckle-draggers who are uneducated Neanderthals is off-base and, well, plain wrong. And I can see from your spelling and language that you are probably less educated than the people you are calling Neanderthals. So, what exactly are your credentials that afford you the position to judge other people's IQ levels (without conducting any research whatsoever, and basically making wild accusations similar to that of WADA head-czar Dick Pound's claim that 1/3 of NHLers were on drugs)? And if you want to know mine, currently studying Economics at WLU.
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Jordan Richardson Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:18)



With all due respect, Dave, some of us actually respect other opinions and don't need them censored. I might disagree with Ken Campbell on this issue, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to express it in print or online if there is an avenue available for it. You can always, you know, NOT read his articles if they bother you that much. Yammering on like that makes me think you're actually afraid of his argument and don't want it to be heard...
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dave Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:14)



How did i know Campbell would bring this up.....please stop talking about this and don't write this i n the upcoming THN magazine, Campbell. For gods sakes, 86percent of us are sick of it so listen to the people who pays your salary.
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Braden Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:12)



As for the main topic of the article......*yawn*. Wow Campbell, real original. And it doesn't surprise me that Buttman is telling everyone that, of course every franchise in the NHL is thriving, After all, he never makes mistakes.
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h arntzen Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:12)



The altercations, fights, etc., are part of this great game. Whenever you have egos rubbing egos, fights are certain. Besides, they are part of the entertainment value we all enjoy with the price of admission. Let 'em play. The League has all but removed the 'persistent scare tactics' we have seen in the past, executed by 'real' goons from the past. An occassional fight is well officiated, usually evenly matched, and usually ends peacefully. Fights, if nothing else, take the edge off a game that is meaningful in the standings, intense, and can be pivotal in determining territorial rights - especially on home ice. Fighters need work too - let them entertain us.
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Carl Burton Posted
(2009-04-30 07:45:12)



Having watched major Junior hockey for many years I have come to the conclusion that for the most part, coaches and general managers of hockey teams do not carry a lot of grey matter between their ears. maybe it is knocked out of them as they work their way up through the kids leagues . I would really like to see a comparison made of the educational level reached by coaches and managers of the major professional sports; hockey; football, baseball and basketball. Just guessing with no facts at hand I would say probably basketball enjoys coaches with the best acadaemic records ( and yes, I.Q.'s) ; followed by football, then baseball and finally hockey. I wonder how many N.H.L. coaches have gone above Grade 12 ? It is for this reason that the dinosaurs running the game don't see the value in removing the idiotic fighting in the game. It is also why at the height of expanding in the NHL they did not have the brains to build rinks with olympic-size ice surfaces., and now suffer from a rink too smal for the speed and size of the players. The innumerable injuries attest to this aspect.. No, to me Don Cherry, clown tat he is, epitomises your average hockey coach and ipso facto, general manager.
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