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THN.com Blog: Roy still king of crease, but not Habs top tender

Patrick Roy celebrates his second Stanley Cup. (Photo by Bruce Bennett Studios/Getty Images)

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Patrick Roy celebrates his second Stanley Cup. (Photo by Bruce Bennett Studios/Getty Images)

If Martin Brodeur hadn’t suffered the first serious injury of his career earlier this season, chances are he’d be breaking Patrick Roy’s all-time wins mark right…about…now.

Instead, that precious standard (551) remains safe for the next few months, with Brodeur needing seven more victories upon his return to catch the king of the crease.

So Saturday night, when the Montreal Canadiens officially retire No. 33, Roy can bask unfettered, with the record still safely in his possession for the immediate future.

Of course, the night would have been magical regardless. There’s as much buzz surrounding it in Montreal as this weekend’s Grey Cup.

And even when Brodeur does surpass Roy, No. 33 will have an army of supporters claiming he remains the best netminder of all-time.

They may have a tougher time making a case for him as the best Habs stopper, however. In our new book, Habs Heroes, senior writer Ken Campbell enlists the help of hockey historians and franchise experts to come up with a ranking of the top 100 players to suit up for the bleu, blanc et rouge. Roy, who spent roughly 10 of his 18 NHL years in Montreal, slides in as the No. 2 goalie behind Jacques Plante.

Without giving away their specific placements among the top 100, here are the 11 goalies featured in the book (which, coincidentally, can be purchased online HERE).

1. Jacques Plante (1953-63).
Six Stanley Cups, six Vezina Trophies, one Hart Trophy, 312 wins, 2.23 GAA, 58 shutouts. The six Cups, and NHL MVP award, push pioneering Plante past Roy.

2. Patrick Roy (1985-95).
Two Stanley Cups, three Vezina Trophies, two Conn Smythe Trophies, 289 wins, 2.77 GAA, 29 shutouts. All-time great money goalie carried Habs to two Cups.

3. Ken Dryden (1970-79).
Six Stanley Cups, five Vezina Trophies, one Conn Smythe Trophy, 258 wins, 2.24 GAA, 46 shutouts. Had mostly great teams in front of him, but all he did was win.

4. Bill Durnan (1943-50).
Two Stanley Cups, six Vezina Trophies, 208 wins, 2.36 GAA, 34 shutouts. Entered NHL as a 27-year-old rookie and dominated until he decided to retire seven seasons later.

5. Georges Vezina (1917-26).
Two Stanley Cups, 175 wins, 15 shutouts. Numbers don’t tell the whole story for one of the game’s first legends.

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6. George Hainsworth (1926-33, 1937). Two Stanley Cups, three Vezina Trophies, 167 wins, 1.75 GAA, 75 shutouts. Owns the two best single-season GAA marks in NHL history.

7. Gump Worsley (1963-70).
Four Stanley Cups, two Vezina Trophies, 92 wins, 2.42 GAA, 16 shutouts. Was a key performer for three Cup teams; backup for the fourth.

8. Gerry McNeil (1947-54, 1957).
Two Stanley Cups, 119 wins, 2.36 GAA, 28 shutouts. Toiled in Durnan’s shadow before getting a break, then was usurped by Plante.

9. Charlie Hodge (1954-67).
Four Stanley Cups, two Vezina Trophies, 117 wins, 2.46 GAA, 21 shutouts. Shone as Plante’s understudy before having a solid run of his own in the 1960s.

10. Rogie Vachon  (1966-71)
. Three Stanley Cups, one Vezina Trophy, 110 wins, 2.65 GAA, 13 shutouts. Had moments of brilliance, but wasn’t content as a backup and was moved to Los Angeles.

11. Jose Theodore (1996-06).
One Vezina Trophy, one Hart Trophy, 141 wins, 2.62 GAA, 23 shutouts. One brilliant season is offset by more losses in his Habs tenure (163) than wins.

(Notes: All stats and facts are as members of the Canadiens in the NHL. Conn Smythe Trophy came into existence in 1966. Vezina Trophy came into existence in 1927 and was awarded to the goalie with the best goals-against average until 1982, at which point it was awarded to the best netminder as voted on by the NHL’s GMs.)

Jason Kay is the editor in chief of The Hockey News and a regular contributor to THN.com. His blog appears every Friday.

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INDY 500 Posted
(2009-04-30 07:22:26)



Love to hate Roy. Loved his intensity and passion when he would raise the cup; hated when he would click-out and make an ass out of himself. Loved his wicked glove hand; hated when he would wave it in the shooters face. Loved his ability to move the puck; hated when he would spaz out behind the net and cost the Avs a weak goal. Loved to see him try to hammer a Red Wing goalie; hated to hear he prompted his kid to pummel the opposing goalie in Juniors. Loved that he set the bar so high for young Canadian goalies; hate that we have to judge whether that he was better than Brodeur, Plante, Dryden, etc. Great goalie; total a-hole in my opinion.
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fritz Posted
(2009-04-30 07:22:19)



too many zany comments here as well as serious. but disregarding all the tin and junk these players collect, the real test of a goalie is quality of players he had to face dodging all that rubber. Almost any 1950s, original 6 goalie, just has to get more praise than the better equipped goalies of today. Almost every player back then was great on a team, today only a couple players per team standout. 1950s and 60s goalies take the top spot for me.
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Rémi Bourget Posted
(2009-04-30 07:22:18)



Three Conn Smythe. That's enough said. The '86 and '93 Canadiens were not considered as contenders at that time. Roy carried that team on his shoulders to the Stanley Cup. I repeat, three Conn Smythe trophy. I don't care about the Vézina or even the Hart. Hasek was amazing in the regular season, but he never carried a team to win the Cup like Roy did. As Patrick said:"Heroes are ordinary people that become extraordinary in critical times". 11 Cups: your comments are the typical TO BS, you're just jealous 'cuz you didn't have Roy, just like your parents were jealous not to have had Guy Lafleur and their parents were jealous not to have the Rocket. Keep bragging about your 11 Cups... We got 24 of them!!!
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shane crilly Posted
(2009-04-30 07:22:02)



What really made Plante the greatest was that he revolutionized goaltending. Unlike every other goal tender of his era, he left the crease, he cut off angles and wasn't afraid to play the puck. They called him the "wanderer" . Nowadays no goalie would dream of sitting back in the net as everyone but Plante did in his era. He also was nicknamed "the General" because he did a lot to run the team on the ice. (maybe that's why toe blake never liked him) Of course, he had probably the greatest team of all time in front of him, but so did Fuhr and nobody's would vote him greatest. Also Roy never did well with a bad time in front of him. Isn't that how he ended up in Colorado. Certainly both Roy and Brodeur have benefitted from rock solid defence (ok Fuhr didn't) Lastly noticed how there are so many great goalies have come out of switzerland? Guess who made a long stop in Switzerland?
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11 Cups Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:58)



If they hang his jersey, they should hang him with it first to make sure his ugly as sin wife doesn't get hung first. At the hanging (both of them) they should turn his jersey in side out and upside down. He was an O.K. goalie and an always punkass.
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whatsthatsmell Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:57)



Last I checked Hasek's vezina's all came when he was playing for Buffalo, a team at the time that lacked any sort of talent that he carried all the way to the final. He also has something Roy could never get - an olympic gold - and for most international players, that is the real prize, not the stanley cup.
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Kevin Haner Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:55)



In 10 years we will be talking about Carey Price in the same breath as these greats...hopefully as the new No.1 in Habs history.
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whatsthatsmell Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:52)



How many more Vezina's would Roy have won if he didn't have to compete against Hasek (who by the way is the best goalie ever).
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Flyer guy Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:51)



Hasek can't carry Roy's jock strap. His only cup came on an extremely stacked Detroit team,his job was to not lose rather than win. He came close to carrying a team to a cup but that's all it was, close.
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Audrey Posted
(2009-04-30 07:21:47)



In my book, #1 is Plante, then Roy. Who's the best between Brodeur and Roy?? omg...Brodeur is the best if you talk about stats, but I mean, Roy is a character that probably won't ever be seen again and he brought soooo much to the game, he changed the position of goalie on so many different aspects. And if I have to give the name of another goalie that should be considered just as good as them, I def have to say Luongo. Everybody knows he's amazing, but he still doesnt get the recognition he deserves. These guys are goalies that can regularly win games on their own.
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