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THN at the Stanley Cup: Overtime win shows Penguins starting to mature

Maxime Talbot and Sergei Gonchar of the Penguins celebrate after winning Game 5. (Photo by Dave Sandford/Getty Images)

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Maxime Talbot and Sergei Gonchar of the Penguins celebrate after winning Game 5. (Photo by Dave Sandford/Getty Images)

DETROIT - The Pittsburgh Penguins live to play another day because of a bloody lip and a sense of opportunism from a largely maligned player, but you have to think they’re now just a little more mature, a little more battle tested and a little more familiar with what it takes to win enormous, epic games.

Without a doubt, the Penguins should certainly have a lot more swagger in their step after they scratched and clawed their way to a 4-3 triple overtime win over the Detroit Red Wings in Game 5 of the Stanley Cup final to extend the series to Wednesday night.

 In a game that disappointed only those who like their Jay Leno on time and those associated with the Detroit Red Wings, the Penguins most certainly proved to themselves and to the hockey world that they have some real fortitude and gumption to go along with all that youth.

“Basically, it’s just survival,” said Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby, who added two more assists in the game. “You’re just holding on for as long as you can.”

For much of a game in which they were outshot 58-32, the Penguins looked as though all they were doing was hanging on. But thanks to an enormous effort by goalie Marc-Andre Fleury and a power-play goal by Petr Sykora at the 9:57 mark of the third overtime, the Penguins stole a victory out of a building where they had failed to even score a goal in the first two games.

With less than a minute left and the Red Wings leading 3-2, Henrik Zetterberg failed to get the puck in deep and it cost the Red Wings dearly. Maxime Talbot scored with just less than 35 seconds remaining to tie the score and stun a sellout crowd that had only moments before watched on a monitor as Phil Pritchard, the keeper of the Cup, take Stanley out of its case and shine it up for the post-game presentation.

“I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that before, a team having the puck right there and the goalie pulled and having the Stanley Cup right there and not winning it,” said Penguins GM Ray Shero. “But we’ll take it, that’s for sure.”

Things certainly looked bleak for the Penguins when defenseman Sergei Gonchar went flying head-first into the boards in the second period and left the game with back spasms. He missed the first two overtimes and the longer the game went, the better his back began to feel. By the time the third overtime started, he was able to sit on the bench and when Jiri Hudler earned a double-minor for highsticking Rob Scuderi at 9:21 of the extra period, Gonchar declared himself fit to contribute and ended up contributing the second assist on Sykora’s goal.

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“My back was pretty much tied up on me and I couldn’t breathe,” said Gonchar, who thinks he can play a regular shift in Game 6 in Pittsburgh Wednesday night. “You can’t move and you just hope you haven’t broken anything. At the beginning I thought I might have broken something and I was really kind of nervous about it, but then I started breathing a little better, I started feeling a little better, I started moving a little bit.”

It was a game rife with storylines, turning points and extraordinary action. For example, who would have thought that Talbot, essentially a plugger at the NHL level, would be the one Penguins’ coach Michel Therrien sent out for an extra attacker when the Penguins needed a goal in the worst way at the most crucial time of the season.

“I have to give the coach a lot of credit on that one,” Talbot said, “because how many times did I take the goalie to be the sixth man during the season? None. I guess (Therrien) thought something would happen. He said, ‘Max, take the goalie,’ and I said, ‘Huh?’ ”

Perhaps nobody came of age more on the Penguins than Fleury, who was at times spectacular for the Penguins. Dating back to his meltdown at the 2004 World Junior Championship, Fleury has carried the reputation of not being able to win a big game, one he went a long way toward eradicating with his 55-save effort in Game 5.

“I guess it worked out OK for me,” Fleury said with a smile. “But if I make one more save during the game then we don’t have to play all those overtimes.”

Ken Campbell, a senior writer for The Hockey News and a regular contributor to THN.com, was at Game 5 in Detroit. His blog normally appears Tuesdays and Fridays and his column, Campbell's Cuts, appears Mondays.

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Billie Smith Posted
(2009-04-30 07:31:24)



It's funny when people talk about Bobby Orr. They never mention that he played during expansion, when the WHA came in and watered down the NHL. They never talk about how the players were not even athletes by todays standards. This transition started after the 72' Summit Series when the Russians showed that you need to do more than drink beer in the off season and between periods. I've talked to many NHLer's in Orr's era, and they told me how they weren't in any shape when they came to camp. That some players would have a cigarette or a beer between periods. Bobby Orr was a great player, he was protected by the Big Bad Bruins but he played when the NHL was a beer league by comparison to todays game. Gretzky is head and shoulders better than Orr, just compare the numbers and the era.
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Josh M Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:47)



Top 5 problems with your post, Bruce: (1) "In the old NHL, you had to have a complete game to even play a shift." It is much harder to play defense in the "new" NHL. You can no longer water-ski your way back to your own zone, you must be able to skate with your opponent. Before the lockout every player in the league was a defensive wizard, right? Hilarious. Also, I can list many players (some of whom are currently in the Hall of Fame) who made a significant impact without a complete game or a "grown man's body." Crosby, by the way, is not built like a kid. He's 200 pounds. (2) "Sidney Crosby is neither classy nor a good representative for the game." You have got to be kidding. For one thing, he puts hockey on the sporting radar in the U.S. (no easy feat). Second, he never says a bad thing to the media, he is always available for an interview and is always well-spoken. He leaves everything on the ice, which is more than you can say for a lot of NHLers. You call him a whiny brat. Do you think he is the only player in the league who yaps at referees? It seems as though he does it more because there is always a camera on him, not to mention the fact that he is the captain and that it is his job to talk to the refs. (3) "Crosby's backchecking consists of hooking." You also seem to imply that he gets away with it while others get penalized for it. Crosby had over 100 PIM's in his rookie season (not one fighting major). He has improved his defensive play since then, but referees hardly let him off the hook with infractions. As I've said many times before, Crosby is hardly a defensive liability. (4) "Crosby must develop some leadership skills to improve." Crosby leads by being the hardest-working player on the ice almost every shift. What better leadership skill is there than that? You also seem to imply that there is something wrong with him speaking to a "veteran player who has won Stanley Cups." Get real. I didn't realize that having your name on the Cup made you all-knowing and exempt from receiving any suggestions from your captain. (5) "Sid is 'not even close' to being the best player in the NHL." Maybe he isn't the best, but "not even close"?? I don't think I need to comment any further on that one.
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Fred Bartsch Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:45)



First I find this business of who is better, Crosby, Zetterburg, Datsyuk, Malkin, Overchkin is Laughable. First these players (ALL) have imense talent, and all are young and inexperienced. Time will tell (10-20) years from now who has turned out as the best. Each player has to be looked at as to how they play the game day in and day out. While I (my opinion) think that Ovechkin is the best goal scorer in the league today, and will probably win many "Rocket Richard Trophies" but probably never will win another scoring title unless guys like Crosby/Malkin are out injured. Crosby is the best play maker in the league, and will probably win many scoring titles, but (again my opinion) never win a "Rocket Richard Trophy" as long as Ovechkin is healthy. I have to wonder how long they can play this HIGH intensity style of play. These guys play at a very high level of physcial play, how long can this continue before they hit a wall or just end up slowing down due to injury. How long before they burn out or are reduced to also ran because of their style of play? Gretzky was a player that was always moving, and never stayed in one spot to long. Plus (NO ONE) really had the chance to really hit him as their head would have been ripped off. Zetterburg/Datsyuk also have immense talent but probably will NOT win goal/scoring titles, but this does not mean that they won't have great hockey careers. It just a matter of perspective. Last but not least, is this business of Crosby WHINING. While I have also posted logs about his Whining, I have to admit that since the Penguins/Rangers series when Jagr had an on ice talk with Crosby (We will never know what was said) that Crosby has almost totally stopped complaining. This leads to the question of "Would you want him or them on your team" is just plain STUPID!! Anyone who would even ask that question is nothing but a FOOL! Who wouldn't want any of these players on their team, damn I'm a Rangers fan but would gladly have any of these talented players play for the RANGERS!
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joe melvin Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:44)



i am a die hard ranger fan so my comments arnt biased, syd crosby is a dynamic two way player, he is good defensively and in both ends of the ice. zetterberg is a more experianced player who also excels at both ends, crosby will get better as time goes on, he tries to pass more then shoot, i wonder how it would be if he had franzen, datsayak and flippula on his side as well as lindstrom, both are great players, i think detroit is the better team as fleury stood on his head, but thats what makes running for the cup so special, great players standing out. so far malkin is the goat, he is nervous and really turning the puck over, he needs to relax and have fun, because he is a great talent but heart is what is needed to win lord stanley, buck up malkin and show em what you got.
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Bruce Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:43)



Top Five Lame Excuses/Apologies Made about Crosby: (1) "He's only 20 years old, just you wait..." Yes, he is only 20 years old, and in the old NHL where you had to have a complete game and a grown man's body to even play a shift, he'd have spend some time with Wilkesbarra Scranton - instead, Bettsy just changed the entire game so that a 110lb offense-only "superstar" could come save Mario's franchise from bankruptcy. (2) "I've notice that people who don't like Crosby are all just jealous" ...what are you 12? Grow up. He's reviled by so many for very good reasons. (3) "He's good for Hockey" (and other absurb variants of this sentiment like that he has "class" and is a good "representive for the game." He's a whiny brat. Period. That's not only why so many fans and players can't stand him, it's the obvious reason that he's neither classy nor a good representative for the game. (4) "See, he really can play defense"...if he could play defense, he'd probably do so, ie kill some penalties or play defense IN THE DEFENSIVE ZONE instead of chasing people from behind after he's turned the puck over with the patented "Crosby Back Check" (see "Hooking" in the NHL rule book for what it's called when anybody else does it. (5) "He's going to get better and be the greatest player ever." There's certainly no way there can be any evidence for such a reckless claim, but since the hype around this guy is ALWAYS based on wild claims, I'm sure the media will be sure to assert this for the rest of his career. When he stops playing the refs more than the other team and develops into a two way player with legitimate leadership skills (and I don't mean yapping at veteran players who have won Stanley Cups, if you think that's leadership you're an idiot..) then he will have improved. He's certainly not the best player even in the league right now (not even close) and he may not be the best player on his team. Rest assured that when the Pens lose tonight that Malkin will be the Goat despite the fact that he stepped up and carried the team when Crosby was injured and then took his time coming back so that he could be "fresh" for the playoffs, and then gracefully took a back seat again. I'm no fan of Malkin's but he's every bit the offensive player that Crosby is, although "Slewfoot's" defense isn't much better. I doubt he sticks around that franchise for too long.
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Maxime Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:41)



Although very good, giving the Selke to Ztterberg is a joke. That trophy as been a joke for awhile. The Selke was meant for third liners (the defensive line) who would still put up 50-60 points...not 1st liners who have a good +/- rating...
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Josh M Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:41)



First of all, I agree that Zetterberg is a much better defensive forward than Crosby. However, he is also 27 years old. Crosby is 20...do you guys remember Steve Yzerman at that age? It wasn't until Scotty Bowman came to town that Yzerman became focused on the defensive side of the puck. How many of the huge point-producers throughout NHL history were defensively responsible at age 20? Mario? Gretzky? Sakic? Not hardly. Also, that he doesn't kill penalties probably has more to do with the fact there are other people on the team who are more than capable of doing so (Staal, Talbot, etc.) and it gives Therrien a chance to give his star player a rest. Notice that Crosby is always on the ice in the last minute of the game, even if protecting a one-goal lead? I am willing to bet that he will be killing penalties in a few years time, so give the kid a break. Secondly, +/- is not the greatest indicator of someone's defensive play. In most cases it is a reflection of the team's play as a whole (case in point: Spezza was top-15 in the league in regular season +/-). A lot of the top defensive players in the league have +/-'s that hover around 0. And for those +/- lovers out there, Crosby did lead his team in that stat this season.
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Maxime Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:40)



Dave, if there is something i've noticed, is that people are jealous. People tend to take down headliners. I myself, enjoy watching Crosby play. He is, IN MY OPINION (before people start ripping their pants off), the best player in the league right now. No, he isn't the best defensive player, but who in his right mind would ask Sidney Crosby to improve his defensive play? It's like asking Ovechkin to try and learn how to block shots more effectively...People are fans, and always see their own players as better then anyone elses. Before the playoff, to me, who was Dan Cleary? Hell, i would have taken Steve Begin years before Cleary...now i learned, and know that my Habs fourth liners aren't that great. Nobody will ever be able to lift the veil in front of a true fan's eyes. To 29 other cities, Crosby is a whiny kid who dives and mocks people. To Pittsburgh, he is a walking God. To all people who open their minds and don't root for a single team, seeing all others as demon spawns, Crosby is one of the best (i think we can all agree on that) and i'm afraid i'll have to say, i have never heard him disrespect anyone. In his comments, unless the media asks about him, he always puts the team first. There are a lot of whiners and divers in the league. They just don't get as much coverage as Crosby because let's face it, they aren't as good.
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Rob M Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:40)



First of all I have a mad hate on for both teams but I just have to weigh in again on Crosby vs Zetterberg. JR is right in 2 years you won't even be able to compare them in fact you can't compare them now. They play two completely different styles. Crosby is always a huge factor in the offensive zone he is a one track offensive machine. Zetterberg while not as offensively skilled as Crosby, is a more complete player in the sense that he can score goals, pass the puck and at the same time be an excellent defensive forward which is why he is a Selke finalist again and why he plays on all special teams on his team. Crosby is good and will compile more points then Zetterberg over his career, but I think Zetterberg's +/- will be better. As for who would I take on my team, currently Zetterbergm but things can change with time.
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Dave G Posted
(2009-04-30 06:23:39)



Those who criticize Crosby don't know a freakin' thing about hockey! Here is a 20-year old kid who has 294 points in 213 games, leads the NHL with 26 playoff points this year, and won the Hart and Art Ross Trophies last year as a 19-year old with 120 points! I'm neither a Pens nor a Wings fan, but it is obvious that fans of teams other than Pittsburgh are intensely jealous of the fact that Pittsburgh has one of the best, if not the very best, players in the world (Ovechkin and Lecavalier being a few of the others)...It's scary to think how good he will be when he is a mature 26 or 28-year old man! He'll dominate the league and will probably be the first 150-point getter since Mario back in the 90's.
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