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Ask Adam: Dollar and sense

Would Jaromir Jagr consider taking a drastic pay cut to play for the Penguins? Not likely. (Photo by Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

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Would Jaromir Jagr consider taking a drastic pay cut to play for the Penguins? Not likely. (Photo by Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

Thanks to some for the words of encouragement after my last mailbag. They’re much appreciated.

A couple kind people suggested the mailbag column should be expanded by a few questions every Tuesday and Friday; I’m not averse to the idea – schedule-permitting, of course – but I’ve got to warn you, I may have to lean on sarcasm (more than I do already) to get the job done.

Hey Adam,

Love your column. You are the King of Pithy!

What is your assessment of this next generation of elite goaltenders in the NHL? I'm referring to Roberto Luongo, Henrik Lundquist, Miikka Kiprusoff, Carey Price and a few others. In my opinion, this group is nowhere near the caliber of netminder that we witnessed in the mid-90s to early 2000s.

To me, that was the golden age of goaltending; during that span the likes of Patrick Roy, Ed Belfour, Dominik Hasek and Marty Brodeur were lights-out, championship-quality goalies, and frankly I'd even rate Curtis Joseph, Olaf Kolzig and Mike Richter (when they were in their primes) higher than today's “elite” goalies.

I'll concede that maybe their performances were augmented by a trapping league and/or larger equipment, but I never had a doubt those guys would be next to impossible to beat in a Game 7 in the playoffs. I don't get that sense from Luongo or Kipper or Ryan Miller. Am I way off?

Stuart Lynam, East York, Ont.


Stuart,

The King of Pithy, eh? I love it, in large part because even a devoted language enthusiast like me had to whip out my dictionary and discover what “pithy” meant. (Dictionary.com defines it as “brief, forceful, and meaningful in expression.”)

I completely understand your point in regards to different eras of goaltending. You touched on it briefly, but I do believe the mushrooming of goalie equipment, as well as the dreadful style of defensive play, contributed more than a little to the numbers and stature of Roy, Brodeur, etc.

That said, I’m not ready to pass judgment on the new breed of netminders just yet. Eventually, one of the newbies will come up with a dazzling post-season full of stolen wins and shutouts en route to a Stanley Cup victory – and once they do, they’ll ascend to the highest echelon there is for goalies. That there are doubts about their ability to do so is just the natural order of things.

Adam,

Considering the gazillions of dollars he has made over his career, do you think there's a chance that Jaromir Jagr would go back to Pittsburgh at a deep discount just for a chance to play with Malkin & Crosby?

I know the Pens are already facing cap issues and will have a tough job bringing Marian Hossa back, but an extremely wealthy Jagr is completely within collective bargaining agreement rules to sign with any team for the minimum salary.

And if he did, for once we could finally believe a player when he says "I didn't do this for the money!" Hey, if Kevin Lowe can stay within the rules of the CBA and still piss of the other GM's, why can't Jagr do the same thing to the NHLPA?

Steve Dicker, Paradise, Nfld.


Steve,

Jaromir Jagr? Accept the minimum salary? If he was being held at gunpoint, maybe.
 
There are a few reasons Jagr has talked openly this season about finishing his Hall-of-Fame career in Europe, and one of the main reasons concerns the amount of compensation he’d receive. This, from a guy who has made more money than any other player in NHL history ($98 million over the course of his career).

One day, there may be an NHL legend who will accept the minimum salary to hang on and try for one last championship. But it won’t be No. 68.

Hi Adam!

Do you have some news about what is going on in Toronto with the GM and/or coaching changes and potential trades/buyouts?

Thomas Lessard, Sherbrooke, Que.

Thomas,

Hell no, I do not. How’s that for pith, Stuart Lynam?

Adam,

With the impending departure of Wade Redden, who will support the many charitable organizations he has supported for the past 11 years?

Redden has been a backbone of this community and involved in many charity events for children. I wouldn’t want to see his hard work pushed aside. It is true that Redden has struggled the past two years, however, I am a firm believer that his lifeline to the hockey world was his mother. With her death, came an inner struggle to find himself again and a purpose in life.

I certainly hope that with his upcoming marriage, Wade will "see the light." Hockey players are only human; along with that comes the trials and tribulations of every day life.

Jill Beattie-Hillier, Kanata, Ont.


Jill,

With the vast amount of solid citizens in the Senators organization, I’m sure Roy Mlakar won’t have much of a problem filling the major hole Redden will leave in the Ottawa community.

I don’t want to delve into his personal life too deeply, but like any employer/employee relationship, Redden’s association with the Senators may simply have run its course. Sometimes you’ve got to switch things up to rejuvenate your mind and body, and that’s probably the case here.

But I’m sure Redden would be quite pleased to know that no matter where he goes next, his legacy in Ottawa won’t be completely compromised by the lack of a championship during his tenure there.

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Jim Reinecke (Posted 2008-05-06 11:51:30)
JAGR PLAYING FOR THE MINIMUM?!?!? When Don Cherry coaches the Swedish National Team, maybe. . .or when Mike Keenan develops a personality that DOESN'T curdle battery acid. . .or when Mike Danton gets a position as an anger management counselor. Then the NHL's most highly-priced LOSER will play for the minimum. Dream on!

Ed Dickson (Posted 2008-05-01 10:48:39)
Jagr is going nowhere because no one can pay him what he'll want. He can still be an elite player when he wants to just like Kovalev but he only shows up when the mood strikes him. Give me guys like Morrow and Mike Richards who show up and play like hell every night. As for Theodore, he is still over- rated and is lucky that some teams haven't noticed.

Mike (Posted 2008-04-30 22:24:25)
He played like a man possessed last night. I think he wants to stay he just wants the dough ray me. He ticks me off but you have to admit the man can still play when he wants to.

Madman (Posted 2008-04-30 19:34:45)
You do know that Jagr is a big time gambler and has huge gambling debts, right? Some debts of his are still unpaid for more than 5 years. It's stupid to say he makes a lot of money so he can pay off his debt, 'cause apparently he hasn't done that. His debts are big though, one close to $900,000 U.S. But still, 98 million over course of lifetime, plus his big contract presently, you should be able to pay them off as to not be annoyed by "where's my money, huh? kinda a thing." Just something people should know about Jagr and what he likes to do.

Maxime (Posted 2008-04-30 10:36:07)
Rob M...If Burke hadn't traded Mcdonald, Scotty and Teemu would have watched the Ducks on TV...Your pick : Andy, or Teemu and Scotty? Isn't really hard to figure out. And btw...Giguère does use oversized equipment, don't take it the wrong way...he isn't the only one. I don't mean to take away what he did least year...but with a pair of Brodeur's pads...Ducks would have been out quickly...

Bruce (Posted 2008-04-30 09:41:28)
You had to look up "pithy" ?? Tsk, Tsk, Adam. The funny part of the question regarding Jagr going back to the Caps is not whether he is a money grubbing jerk (seriously, professional athletes ALL wanna get paid) but the very notion that Jagr (or ANY NHL veteran superstar) is actually salivating at the opportunity to play with the kid. Perhaps they were no longer "stars" by their Pens stint, but it doesn't seem like LeClaire or Recchi enjoyed being "led" by a "captain" who still can't even grow a playoff moustache much less a beard. Lest "Lovers-o-the-Kid" start up with your usual noise, I'm pointing out the fairly obvious fact that Crosby enjoys less enthusiastic accolades among NHL veterans than the X-box fans the League and its media seem intent to pander to. Ask Forsberg if he'd like the chance to play with Crosby, just because they're not all dumping on him on camera (veterans usually hae more class than that) doesn't mean they all want to play with him. There's a reason that the only veterans on that team are role players like Laroque and Roberts.

Alex (Posted 2008-04-30 02:09:09)
Jagr is a greedy, choking whiner. League minimum? Yeah, and Yashin was in it for the game. As for the greatest goalie debate, I don't think you can count Giguere in the list after this season's playoffs, but if Turco and/or Fleury make the finals and then put up a strong playoffs next year, you have the beginnings of a new guard. Unfortunately for Luongo, you have to not only perform in the playoffs, but make them in the first place to get elite status.

whatsthatsmell (Posted 2008-04-29 20:36:01)
I doubt Jagr is going to Pens. Last I recall, Lemieux blamed Jagr for not playing with intensity during the most important points of Lemieux's last comeback and attempt to win. Jagr was gone to Washington that offseason.

jw (Posted 2008-04-29 19:19:27)
Jagr isn't going anywhere, the Rangers are the retirement home of the NHL, just ask Esposito, Bure, Lindros, Gretzky, Shanahan, the list goes on

Rob M (Posted 2008-04-29 18:44:28)
All Giggy's equipment is regulation and since when is having good body position in the net a bad thing? The Ducks won the cup last year because of superior defense and amazing goal tending. Only one loss in overtime is amazing especially in the playoffs. Their offense last year with McDonald(stupid trading him) Selanne and Getzlaf was incredible. Too bad they disintegrated this year. In the playoffs if I could pick a goaltender, I would want Brodeur or Giguere.

Madman (Posted 2008-04-29 18:30:44)
Steve Dicker, not in paradise, and Alix, Dominik Hasek did say he didn't play for the money. Indirectly would be Roenick, and Chelios.

Alix (Posted 2008-04-29 17:45:59)
Adam, you said: One day, there may be an NHL legend who will accept the minimum salary to hang on and try for one last championship. There already is one: Jeremy Roenick.

Greg Lekivetz (Posted 2008-04-29 17:24:08)
Rob, giguere is the exact opposite of the new age goalie. big equipment and body position so that pucks just hit him. Colin Campbell and the nhl won the ducks the cup, not their goalie.

Rob M (Posted 2008-04-29 16:03:33)
Adam, I believe the goalie you would be looking for is J.S. Giguere in last years playoffs.

Craig (Posted 2008-04-29 16:01:22)
Mr Pithy, sir, normally you are reasonable and concise, but in this particular case your assertion that Brodeur benefitted from enlarged equipment is dead wrong. Broduer himself has publicly railed against the inflated equipment of his fellow puck stoppers, and currently uses pads that are among the smallest of starting goalies in this league. If you want to say anyone benefitted from the increased girth of pads it would be the thrid tier chumps, and second rate clubs that employ them. Garth Snow used pads that wouldn't fit in the trunk of most hatchback cars in order to string together a middling career. Kiebler elfs Irbe, and Legacy were able to be achieve "all star" status thanks to pads that could double as life rafts in the event of a sudden and desperate thaw of the arena. I agree with you and Dictionary Stu, that the current goalies have yet to achieve the same heights as their predecessors, but given time (and even the slightest scoring support) Luongo, Backstrom, Price or Lundqvist should be able to contend for a cup or two, as for Kipper, your questioning the big game capabilities of a man who carried a Calgary franchise with Conroy as their number one centre to the 7th game of the stanley cup finals? why because he couldn't or wouldn't play for Make "goalie killer" Keenan? Isn't this like doubting Detroit's drafting because no one from the Wings won the scoring title? Or pondering wether Jagr would forgo the 5 cent refund for a can of pop, let alone take a penny less to play for the big prize?

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